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Please share the story of how you got a raft stock on a class II section of river. Too Shallow?
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Everybody seems to be making good boat(great for us cheapo's picking up good boats on gear swap!) So more power to JK if their smart enough(which they seem to be) to dominate sales through marketing.
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Firstly don;t worry about the paddles thing, water under the bridge.

There is so much in your post it's almost difficult to reply, what I will say it kayaking is a lot of thing to a lot of people. For so many reasons it's been a huge part of my life for a long log time and has often been the constant when there is chaos elsewhere.

There are some great people in our sport and it can have significant benefits both physical and mental from taking part and being involved.

I consider myself very very lucky.
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First I'll apologize to you regarding my accusation of trying to push Werner Paddles on us since I decided to jump to conclusions.

As someone within your target demographic, I've gone through a bit of therapy for depression and currently take Wellbutrin generic as a form of treatment. This treatment, as well as finally getting a sleep study done which confirmed suspicions that I also had sleep apnea, and my choice to make kayaking a greater focus of my life all coincided within a few weeks of each other.

I will admit to being at what I believe was greater than average self conscious for as long as I can remember, however the worst part of my depression didn't begin until I started college as an undergraduate. I think the hardest thing to grapple with was knowing that no matter what I did on any given day I would still wake up and absolutely hate myself the next day. Some of it probably wasn't entirely up to me since I was getting minimal REM sleep for years on end which really erodes your ability to be happy through effort, but now that I have a bit more perspective I do believe in an active pursuit of treatment options for anyone suffering from mental health issues. For me part of that is kayaking.

There is no doubt that allowing yourself a sense of pride in building a previously undeveloped skill set can positively contribute to an individual's mental health. I find that the community in kayaking being completely welcoming and the fact that the sport does not raise a sense of competition between fellow paddlers, but in my experiences just the individual seem to be a part of the equation for me. To me this is the subtle difference in a community that promotes people to identify as kayakers and share/celebrate their common experiences/achievements rather than focusing on binary comparisons such as being good/bad. This was especially helpful because in nearly every other activity I've pursued, soccer, academics, and guitar most thoroughly, I never learned to stop comparing myself to others and since I always saw the parts of someone else that I wished I could emulate I found it hard to consider I've achieved anything.

I also find Kayaking to be somewhat of a counter culture in that I can really revel in having an experience that allows me to feel unique as an individual. We can all laugh at the pushback Dane got when he ran that waterfall in Hawaii or the misguided facebook comments that non-paddlers make about our decision to kayak at less than freezing temperatures. This is part of the fun of being involved in something that is misunderstood by the vast majority of people since most serious paddlers are acutely aware of the risks but nevertheless paddle. (que I laugh in the face of danger lion king). Any given weekend me and someone else are waking up at some god awful hour just to go get some water. Again this brings me closer to other people instead of pushing me to compare.

The last component I really want to touch on is the on the water experience. I think Jeff West described the Stikine in the same way a mathematician might view a complex set of equations. I've honestly never really paddled like that and to be completely fair I'll never be what Jeff West was to paddling, but I think I can at least reach an understanding with the mentality that allows you to completely sink your mental and physical capacity as an escape from what ever other annoyances and demons arrest my mental attention and sap physical strength from day to day. As a CPA with degrees from reputable universities and financial solvency I should feel accomplished, but it really doesn't mean a damn thing to me compared to trying to get my first loop or the cheoah PFD I want this weekend. I know once I'm sitting in the cockpit in the middle of a rapid all of the background noise will fade away. While I might be suffering from the Great Gatsby syndrome of being too goal oriented, there is always a way I can challenge myself to be a better kayaker including helping others.

Anyways I don't know if I'll ever get there, but I hope to eventually get ACA level 4 and start a non-profit of sorts to help introduce others suffering from mental health to kayaking in hopes that it will help them as well. To be completely honest my writing style is more of an appeal to emotion than it is a connection of words that convey some sort of thesis. If this all seems like poorly regurgitated bullshit to the reader I understand, but I think there is enough there for someone who might really be struggling to see there are others.
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Thanks for providing a poorly written blog post advertising for Werner and doing the same thing on reddit.
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Thanks for sharing! Looks like you both put some time into it and I surmised he also meant top-load in point #2.
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Not sure what an agitator is but washing a dry suit is simple. You just need to use a wash product made specifically for waterproof breathable fabric. I use Atsko Sport-Wash because it's cheaper than Nikwax tech wash and ReviveX pro cleaner and it's more or less the same thing...you can get it at Walmart and it comes in 2-quart size for 64 loads. Compare that to Nikwax or ReviveX and you'll be saving quite a bit of money.

1) You can hand wash your suit with a soft bristled brush. This is gentle and through but time consuming. Rinse throughly afterward.

2) Wash it in a top load washing machine. This is easy, pretty quick, and isn't too hard on your gear. Just make sure all the zippers are zipped and the velcro is secure. I usually do one wash to get the outside of the suit clean then flip it inside out and clean the inside. It's more important for the inside to be clean so i do that second. I generally put it on a rinse cycle after each wash.

3) Wash it in a top load machine... be careful this method can put unnecessary wear on your garment. Only wash it in a top load machine if you can't do option 1 or 2. Really this is a last resort. Who wants to take life out of their $1000 garment? If you have to do it this way... make sure you choose the most gentle cycle. If this is your only option and you really want to be easy on your suit you can put it in a mesh bag then in the washing machine. This will result in a less thorough clean... but hey your suit isn't going to get quite as beat up in the machine.

After you wash it hang it to dry on a plastic hanger. Don't use a metal hanger (copper or copper alloys in it will cause the gasket to break down). After your suit is dry store it folded loosely in an airtight container to minimize exposure to air. Contrary to popular belief ozone (o3) is the main contributor to gasket failure. Keeping your suit loosely folded in a tied garbage bag will limit the exchange of o3 keeping your gaskets fresh longer... and no 303 isn't the answer. It's actually show to more or less useless (for increasing neck/wrist gasket life) in testing... sure it can make a sticky gasket a little easier to put on... but so does talc.
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First off, an agitator (in the case of washing machines) is (on top-loading machines) the center-post thingy with the spiral splines on it which agitates (get it?) the water and clothes.

Second, on point #2 in prior post, I strongly suspect that was supposed to say FRONT-LOAD machine (not top-load, as both #2 and #3 said).

And point #3 then did answer the prior post's question: yes, it is best to avoid a machine with an agitator (I.E., front-load is preferred over top-load), but if a top-load is all you've got access to, use the most gentle/slow setting, which very significantly diminishes how vigorously the agitator agitates. Unfortunately, it also will very significantly diminish how thoroughly the water (and the suit) move around in the machine, so it really ends up more like the suit is just doing a soak in detergent-laden water. Frankly, you'd be far better off to put it in a tub (warm water with measured detergent) and hand washing it. Hmmm, if you've got access to a bathtub with water-jets ('jacuzzi' tub), putting your suit/top in there would likely give it far better washing action than a top-loader on gentle cycle! Problem would be that the volume of water would be so much increased that it would likely take much more detergent/product to have much effect cleaning it. Also, not sure about the advisability of running that stuff through the piping and pumps. (Probably not a problem, but the documentation on my jetted tub specifically says not to use any sort of bath oil, soap, shampoo, or bubble bath -- technically, I guess you're supposed to either shower before using the jetted tub, or at least not use shampoo or soap before or during while the jets will be on, but wait til the end after turning jets off.)

And finally, I agree with the comments about the 303 . . . I think people have been sold a heck of a bill of goods there. I used the stuff on the first gasketed suit I bought and the gaskets (with no over-sleeve) got all gummy. Subsequent suits (which have oversleeves covering the gaskets) I have virtually never used 303 on, and have never had gaskets go gummy. (And no, I was not using sunscreen or bugspray extensively when I had the first suit vs. the later ones, so that would not account for differences.)
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I know this is a bit unrelated, but for best care should an agitator be avoided when washing?
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I'll just have to take your word for it. I don't even drink coffee. You obviously really don't like PNW boaters. Something must've happened. That story sounds interesting. Anyways, make sure you shred it.
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I think you totally misunderstood me.

I wasn't voting one way or the other about the fun.

I was merely harshing on your attitude and region.

For those that don't know the Seattle freeze/chill is a thing. It's pervasive throughout the area, and pretty evident in the boating scene. Y'all probably don't even notice it amongst yourselves. But non native boaters do.

I'm not saying there's not good people/good boaters or good boater people out here. There are.

However by and large you folks are kinda stand-offish, clique-ish, and more than happy to tell outsiders that's not the proper boat/gear/rig or way to do things.

Getting lectured on a play boat proper by a PNWer that's funny.

Maybe it's because y'all never been blessed with boating/playboating with a shorty. Maybe too many coffee fumes stuck inside the drysuit rot the brain.
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Sorry folks, please give poor givemeaboat a break.

He said he's from the PNW, specifically around WA state, so he really doesnt know what he's talking about.

it's not his fault, he comes to boating from (unless centered around hood river), a pretty isolated, insular
Seattle-Chill-centric way of boating.

Just kidding givemeaboat. Sorta.
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You must be a Fun enthusiast. Sorry to dash on your pride. Just get a real playboat.
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I wish you the best of luck with whatever you choose to do.

There just isn't a quality conversation with you at this point. The rest of us are here to help each other, and we literally have one of the designers of the Fun series on here to explain things to all of us, but you never bothered to even read his post about the Fun. You just kept on with your own tangent. I've given you nothing but leeway, and I've tried to meet your perspective half way. You however, just want to insult and bash. I'm just going to go about my way now.

Wishing you the best bud.
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I don't have a problem with you at all nor do I consider myself to be "extreme". I don't know who you are and I have no intention of attacking you.

My point is that the world exists beyond our anecdotal experiences and I think we should try to be as open as possible to the fact that what we observe may have no correlation to what other people are doing.

Did you just try to make a comment on my sex life at the end? Should high school children be giving advice to strangers on the internet?
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I don't have a problem with you at all nor do I consider myself to be "extreme". I don't know who you are and I have no intention of attacking you.

My point is that the world exists beyond our anecdotal experiences and I think we should try to be as open as possible to the fact that what we observe may have no correlation to what other people are doing.

Did you just try to make a comment on my sex life at the end? Should high school children be giving advice to strangers on the internet?
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" Most people who use play boats do so in a park and play situation anyway"

Dude you speak out of your ass a lot don't you?
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Relax buddy. If you feel like it...nobody's going to stop you from doing whatever you want to...in any boat you like.
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" whereas the Fun would limit you to class 2, and maybe 3"

That seems pretty explicit to me and isn't true. Sorry if this is too blunt, I just don't really know what else to say. Being comfortable using a certain boat within a given rapid class range depends on the individual. Just because OP wouldn't do something doesn't make that true. Do you honestly believe the FUN was designed with only class II in mind?

I guess I'm approaching this from the stand point that the individual asking is looking for the easiest path to start boating. If cost/finding a retailer isn't a concern and they're looking for a boat that they can progress all the way to class V with then the Antix is a better purchase. If they want to go out and purchase something relatively quickly that will allow them to progress to a reasonable level before considering adding a larger volume boat the FUN goes further than class II. Perhaps by the time they run class IV they will decide they aren't interested in slicey sterns, which could potentially occur. At this point they will only have spent a few hundred dollars instead of what ever the Antix currently costs.

As to the actual OP, good luck. Hopefully you can find one to Demo before you buy.
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The FUN does not limit you to class II. Perhaps you wouldn't feel comfortable doing more challenging runs, but the whole idea of a down river playboat being designed only for class II seems pretty pointless.
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Just to keep myself honest I think you got some more fleshed out replies below that are much more insightful that what I gave you. I do think you'll have a hard time finding a used Antix though. Shouldn't be too hard to grab a fun and sell it for a pretty reasonable amount of what you bought it for in a year if you go that route.