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if you're under 6', the large is just too darn big ergonomically, regardless of weight, in my opinion. Many other better options.

I felt like the 8.6 paddled pretty similarly to the nomad 8.5 -- did not feel bigger at all (maybe even a touch smaller, despite the reported volume increase).
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Did most of my first "real" class V in it about 16 years ago when it first came out.think i used it for three seasons before moving on to a jefe. Loved it at the time, probably more for the experiences. I paddled it at about 170 lbs and was probably at the top end of the ideal weight range (though I didn't notice). I don't even think it was 70 gallons.

For volume, performance, outfitting, comfort, etc, I don't think it stands up to modern design. but you never know, check it out and you may like it.
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I think it was someone like arndt schaflein, or another german boater.

Great, great movie, one of my favorites. Wish there was a digital download.
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A major ass wupping is in order for that piece of shit.

Damn shame.
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my bony ass may not like that
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Anyone do this? I love this boat, but I've got to get a little more room to make my knee position higher (legs keep falling asleep) -- I've always had this problem in boats with lower deck height. Here the deck is plenty high enough, but the high seat puts legs in a low position.

Looks like you could add an additional plate between the cockpit and seat attachment, but would need to reshape foam under seat.

Any tips appreciated!
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Never heard of that section before
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If they didn't make a large nomad, you better believe the top weight rating on the medium would be at least 20-30 lbs heavier.

In fairness, that's also a reaction to the general preference for most folks for more volume these days.
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The new nomad has a good bit more bow rocker than the original, plus a bit less stern rocker. I think this probably means the bow feels a bit looser -- to me it feels like a cross between old nomad and jefe/stomper.

It's always hard to get a feel for a boat off 1 or 2 demos -- different water conditions give you different impressions of the boat -- as does how you feel on a particular day.

Try paddling it again with the seat forward of center, but not all the way forward and see if you like it any better.
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The 9r is narrower too. Which means a little less stability, but, can be a big deal for someone who is shorter or has shorter arms. One of the drawbacks of the newer creekers is they are 26 or 26.5" wide. And with a ton of volume behind the cockpit. Can make it harder to roll and harder to crank some moves.

The comparison really is, do you drive your boat through the rapid, or do you react to what comes. If you like driving and moving, the 9r is probably the best boat on the market for that. If you're a reaction boater, Stomper is pretty solid.
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or the stomper for that reason, but it probably does have MORE in common with the stomper just because it is closer in length and can be, or is frequently, used for many of the same purposes as the stomper.

Stomper is a pretty good boat -- boofs well, rolls easy, good for low water creeking. Pretty slow in my opinion and doesn't hold a line for shit in bigger or even moderately pushy water. That's not necessarily a bad thing for it's intended purpose.

9r is fast, holds a line very well in bigger water. Harder to boof and maneuver in low water creeking due to that long stern, but it excels in pushier water, hole punching and wet boofs. Great boat to paddle and charge hard in. Not necessarily a great "plan B" boat -- that is, if you are just floating looking for your line or start to beater, it's not the most forgiving -- it's best when paddled at speed knowing where you're going. Overall, a pure joy to paddle, IMHO.

You can creek in the 9r, particularly if you are a more advanced paddler. There are other, better boats than the stomper that excel in both low water and pushier water, including nomad (new and old), cali, ace of spades, karma, etc.
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It depends on your height also. The ergonomics of the boat are very large (larger than the boat paddles, if that makes sense). I think if you're under 6' or so, that can make the boat a bit of a handful and you should definitely demo.
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And it's hard to tell from the photos but I wonder if there's too much bow volume for a hack like me to get the bow down for a blunt.

I remember seeing someone throw blunts in an rpm back before they were a "thing" sometime in the mid-90's.
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I "grew up" learning to squirt the hurricane, supersport, outburst,etc, and both the axiom and mullet look pretty easy to me. Was a bit disappointed the mullet did not have some manner of flattish hull to make spinning and blunting possible (even if still somewhat difficult).

Gonna check them both out, but damn I do like the look of the mullet, it's pretty sexy.
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Interesting that axiom is faster at 1/2 foot shorter -- I guess that may be due to the extreme rocker break
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Axiom 8.5 or the mullet for me....,170lb dude, looking to surf, squirt and river-run. Looking for a boat that I'd enejoy in my backyard and also take to idaho, etc.
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I'm about the same size and thinking the large is just too big -- it's really the ergonomics of the thing more than anything else and yeah it does have quite a bit of drift in bigger water at my weight. It is a GREAT boat though. caveat: I have not tried a medium

and i think i may be selling my large and getting a medium if anyone is interested...:)
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What's the weight range? Should a 170-180 lb guy opt for the medium or large?
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Same weight, but a bit shorter at 5/10", but I've got size 11 1/2 -12 feet, which makes it tough to fit in some boats. Thought the large loki was terribly uncomfortable on my feet, just couldn't do it.

Forplay is great downriver and great for carwheeling, surfing, squirting, a bit longer than the others you mentioned. Ultrafuge is good, but at your weight and height I'd look at the larger version (centrifuge) which is also great for all those things. I have an old necky switch that I love.

dagger super-ego was a good boat. never paddled the luv. i remember liking the pyranha prozone 235 and 240 (I think that's the right size).