Just happened to catch the conversation about the canyon rafts and I can say that a few friends and I purchased a saturn raft a few years ago and it was one of the best $300 ($1200/4) I've ever spent. We now have 3 saturns between us and are thinking about buying the canyon 15' raft for our Salt River trips. I can speak to the rafts being great quality and after 3 years it's still going strong. I would however like to see the saturns come with removable thwarts, it looks like all the canyons now do but the canyons look alot different now. Hoping to see one on the water before we buy.