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Ted Kennedy is gone
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Wow, yup. I get breaking news on BT first sometimes.
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plasticraft
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Yep. Did he manage to change the succession rules back before he passed away?
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rlhartman
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DEATH: one of the things he couldn't buy his way out of.
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rroberts
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very compassionate and christian like of you Mr. Roberts
kindyakker
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Why? I am truly sorry he died the way he did. I would not wish that on anyone, but if you expect...
rroberts
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You're doing the opposite of deifying
snowwrestler
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I merely pointout the truth
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rroberts
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It is factually incorrect to say that he accomplished nothing in the Senate
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snowwrestler
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cheap shot
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Clean.Run
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Adam, when i think of everything wrong with american politics, the names Ted Kennedy, Gingrich...
rroberts
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Really? So you just don't like partisanship?
Clean.Run
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kennedy really ticked off the conservatives
roscoepwavetrain
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watchis
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name one accomplisment of his.
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rroberts
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He's an excellent swimmer.
SirFlipsALot
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and touch football.
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rroberts
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Hmm. My innuendo might have been a little vague. Prolly for the best.
SirFlipsALot
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oh... he got it
decker
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Lets see...Medicare, minimum wage increases, American with Disabilities act, SCHIP, COBRA, Americorp
otto
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Yeah, evidently all that gets you a ticket to hell on this board.
SirFlipsALot
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the ADA sure helped concrete workers.......
tomcat
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LOL! Where are you? I use them every single day when I pull my daughter with my bike trailer.
SirFlipsALot
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not about you and dtr.....how many times have you seen a disabled person use them?
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tomcat
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hundreds...
rustyboater
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Plenty. Irregardless, I think anybody in an urban area would say they find them useful. Think of something else, like
SirFlipsALot
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yep...those too....too much misuse and no enforcement against abusers......
tomcat
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I'll enforce it with my key on their door.
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SirFlipsALot
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I worked with folks in wheelchairs for a while. They like 'em and use 'em.
peterelkon
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Medicare passed in 1965
lrcable
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And was revised numerous times since
snowwrestler
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His "effectiveness" was more about longevity than any special talent
lrcable
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I'll give him this: Kennedy was considered to have just about the best Senatorial staff on the Hill
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rlhartman
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not only his staff... but his liver and kidneys as well
decker
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Hey Rick , name a few of your accomplishments
kindyakker
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ohhh, a biting comment. i have none. never claimed any. never had money to buy my way out of trouble either...
rroberts
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I had to face them on youtube yesterday! Nice!
SirFlipsALot
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The Kennedys sacrificed a lot more than the average family.
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SirFlipsALot
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True. But what does that have to do with Ted's accomplishments?...
rroberts
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"only in a different direction". Well, that's the whole point then, isn't it?
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SirFlipsALot
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Time for you to eat some crow.
Helly
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True. Ted was an elected hazck out of the same bolt of cloth rove was. You can like his direction...
rroberts
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Like the guy or not, your position is obvious but don't claim he never accomplished anything.
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Helly
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interesting, exactly what elected office did Rove hold?
roscoepwavetrain
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none and comparing one political party hack to another is spot on. You may like what Ted did to his...
rroberts
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that is total bullshit.
rustyboater
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Oh. you mean it's different because you like rove's victims and didn't like Ted's victims.
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rroberts
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not at all. this isn't an us vs them argument.
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rustyboater
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Who are these victims you keep harping on about?
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Helly
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those who opposed him politically.
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rroberts
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I need names
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Helly
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Well...Mary Jo gave her life for his political ambitions. there's one.
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rroberts
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Well I knew you'd say Mary JoAnd but that's just a diversion. You keep claiming there are all theses others, so please..
Helly
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Ah. so you think Mary Jo's life was too trivial for mentioning. And they tell me I'm heartless for not...
rroberts
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Ever heard the term "one trick pony"?
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Helly
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Mary Jo isn't a pony. She's a clydesdale.
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rroberts
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a guy who serves in the senate for 40 years isn't a "hack"
roscoepwavetrain
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give me a break. 40 years in the Senate requires political machinery. clout. Savy...
rroberts
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It requires all those things, but
peterelkon
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rroberts is a kennedy hater, period. case closed
roscoepwavetrain
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Just as it's hard to get past MJ's pedophilia, it's hard to forget Chapwithaquickdick.
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ezwater
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I remember watching Richard Nixon's funeral on t.v. with my dad...
decker
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missed my post about Bobby, eh?
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rroberts
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Political machinery isn't enough. remember tom daschel?
Helly
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The Kennedy family name is to some... the same as Reagan is to others.
decker
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yes. that IS true. there was good in Ted. I just dislike the deification process....
rroberts
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Now that, I'd fight.
peterelkon
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<pauses in chiseling of marble portrait. sighs. goes to lunch>
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SirFlipsALot
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calling respect for the dead police.....sic em rosco
yeaboy
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this link says it all...
rroberts
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Ted Kennedy was, without a doubt, a flawed man.
peterelkon
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well said
roscoepwavetrain
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They kept him in office because he relentlessly destroyed all those who opposed him.
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rroberts
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You're repeating yourself. Breathe deep, relax, and think of bracing up in the falls.
peterelkon
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as are so many of the ambitious
broam
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There's a good deal of truth in that...
b6
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mark me down as "for" term limits for all political positions...local, state and national.....
tomcat
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Term limits have their own limits
b6
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I agree that "lobbying" needs to be criminalized....add that to term limits and then we'll have real change.....
tomcat
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Woah! No way I want lobbying to be criminalized...
b6
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but tommy... do you really think the republicans in this instance our looking out for you behalf?
decker
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Yes, let's criminalize lobbying. Who cares about that pesky 1st Amendment
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snowwrestler
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so you support bought-for influence?....yea, that's free speech buddy
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tomcat
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Right to petition government for redress of grievances
snowwrestler
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you forgot to put "and influence is purchased" on the end of that.
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decker
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"Most lobbying does not involve much money" ??
b6
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Those are the top 20; but there are well over 12,000 registered lobbyists in DC
snowwrestler
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It's not about the number. It's about the money.
b6
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But most lobbyists don't give much money to legislators
snowwrestler
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Really? Max Bacus #1 campaign contributor: Schering-Plough Corp $76,200
b6
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http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/pubfund.shtml
decker
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Ohhhhhhhh, but Teddy was wonderful because his last name was "Kennedy"...
rroberts
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No Sen. Kennedy was great because he actually gave a damn about people...
b6
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And for his "care for the common man"...
rroberts
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No doubt, seniority helps you bring home the bacon.
peterelkon
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It's just as wrong to over-demonize someone as it is to overpraise
snowwrestler
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I wonder what the black helicopter crowd will drum up since B.O. just happened to be there the same week
mtnsport
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Hell just got a little more crowded...
P1PN8EZ
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Just remeber your marshmallow stick when your time comes.
peterelkon
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He'll prolly be the one working the store that sells the marshmallows
P1PN8EZ
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whether or not he is going to Hell is not up to me. Personally, I hope he doesn't end up there.
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rroberts
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"Some men see things as they are and say why. I dream things that never were and say why not."
decker
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Bobby was the only one of the bunch that was worth a damn. and he would have been one of the greatest presidents ever.
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rroberts
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your emotions have clouded your reason...pull back from the keyboard!!!
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rustyboater
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Why? Other than you don't think I should be saying something you don't like to hear.
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rroberts
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try a little class...
rustyboater
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oh, you want me to lie about a guy I never like and never respected? all this reminds me of...
rroberts
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yeah right, it's your first amendment right...
rustyboater
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and you?
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rroberts
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what about me?
rustyboater
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you throw rocks at me then rail on me for throwing them back at you?
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rroberts
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are you dead?
rustyboater
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You don't need to be awed and enthralled. Just don't be ignorant
snowwrestler
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All I've heard today is what a wonder man he was and how he did nothing but good....
rroberts
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The truth is somewhere between what you're reading, and what you're posting
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snowwrestler
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exactly.
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Clean.Run
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Oh come on!! You gotta at least give JFK some props for nailing Marilyn Monroe!
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SirFlipsALot
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Angie dickenson too.
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rroberts
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Really. Hmm. Ok, one prop for that. I guess.
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SirFlipsALot
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R.I.P. Ted Kennedy.
DangerJudy
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THAT I can agree with.
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rroberts
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R.I.P. Mary Jo
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steviej
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didn't take long for the hate train to leave the station on that one!
rustyboater
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its just rroberts riding by throwing poo
roscoepwavetrain
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Speakin of yeaboy...
SirFlipsALot
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yowza
roscoepwavetrain
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funny thing.....
yeaboy
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Well said.
b6
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I don't or didn't hate him. I just refuse to accept him as Obama's John the Baptist!
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rroberts
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your point?
rustyboater
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You don't hate him?
Helly
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I don't hate him. i neither liked nor respected him. that's different than hate.
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rroberts
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The issue here might be more with your timing than your opinion.
SirFlipsALot
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I got ripped up a year ago when i expressed the same.
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rroberts
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PS On a side note, if you ever get brain cancer you should start making final arrangements..
SirFlipsALot
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Lance did.
DangerJudy
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Lance didn't have brain cancer. He had testicular cancer which metastasized to the brain
DRRPM
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He got alot done in govt and worked with both sides, unlike most today. He is emblematic why we DONT need term limits
Gnar_Star
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