...like Roscoe , Joemess, etc, etc, etc. I'm curious to understand what, in your mind, constitues a true liberal / leftist? On many occasions I've heard many people here, whom I would personally classify as quite liberal and way left of center (and definitely harboring a tendency toward bleeding heartedness), describe themselves as moderate or middle of the road. In particular I've heard Roscoe apply this "independant / moderate" characterization to the majority of lefties here. I'm really curious to understand exactly what poltical spectrum you calibrate yourselves against? How do you characterize the left boundary from where you yourselves stand? What in your mind is a true left of center liberal?