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BoaterTalk: The International Information Site for the Whitewater Paddler
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SNOWWRESTLER. tell me about Palau
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Jul 25 2008, 0:25 GMT
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This should get the cavers' attention
Stifler
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Unflattering info about Col. Chesty Puller in there too.
Stifler
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Yes. Puller was very good at the battalion level, but not at the division level...
rroberts
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"Goodbye Darkness" is good too. by Manchester. However, Puller's personal courage was unquestioned...
rroberts
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It's a pity that his skill at small scale warfare seems to have disappeared from the normal training of modern troops.
Wilko
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The Corps still emphasises small unit tactics, but there are only 3 divisions.
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rroberts
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That's what they might say, but in reality there isn't much emphasis on small unit tactics.
Wilko
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No. You are incorrect. The Corps basic unit is the fireteam. 4 or 5 guys. That's the building brick...
rroberts
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And they were getting very heavy casualties in Falluja, simply because they failed to use those fireteams effectively.
Wilko
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Bullshit! it's an urban environment. how the hell are you going to avoid moving through areas with rooftops...
rroberts
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You can call bullshit all you want, that doesn't make you right. Exactly because there are rooftops...
Wilko
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OK. Lots of buildings. do you leap from roof top to roof top? helio assault?...
rroberts
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The problem is that they are not going through each house. And there again, if they did...
rroberts
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Rick, cut that out!
Wilko
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ain't buying it...
rroberts
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That's the umptieth time you've talked about "Dresdin". What on earth is Dresdin? Please fille me in...
Wilko
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Dresden, Germany, was firebombed by the Allies in World War II resulting in large numbers of civilian casualties
Gordo
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Yeah, I thought that he might have meant that, but there was no battle, no tactics, just bombing of civilians.
Wilko
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Sledge talks about keeping watch with a .45 in one hand while holding his eyelid open with the other to stay awake.
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rroberts
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Yeah, they had learned by then to ditch the Banzai charges
Stifler
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Unfortunately, we still haven't found an effective antidote against those improved tactics.
Wilko
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Bullshit. The bonzai attacks were used...
rroberts
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Just a minor point: Bonzai are trees, Banzai is relevant for the Japanese attacks...
Wilko
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Many lessons were learned at Guadalcanal, which was the american's first engagement...
rroberts
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Point out where I said that they *never* used human wave assaults.
Wilko
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The human wave assault remained their main battle tactic until '44. the infiltrations were largely...
rroberts
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Yeah, of course, Rick, by repeating that it was so certainly makes it true.
Wilko
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The Banzai attack was seldom used as a tactical device
Gordo
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How many page number references do you want to demonstrate how wtong you are?...
rroberts
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So you're going to prove that the banzai attack was used a lot with a single or even a few references?
Wilko
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And as far as not learning from mistakes, Carlson took a 30 day patrol intot he jungle and met...
rroberts
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Now who is talking bulshit here?
Wilko
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What they didn't say was that...
rroberts
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I think your Avatar is historical significance
catchaneddy
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I'd like to see Truk Lagoon someday
Stifler
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I've been to Truk Lagoon (now called Chu'uk) and yes, you can see several sunken ships from a sea kayak.
Gordo
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What surprises me is that western armies seems to have learned very little from that kind of battle.
Wilko
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It wasn't so much in training as it was the numbers of people...
rroberts
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Actually, it was about training as much as the numbers...
Wilko
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You are wrong. The strength of the american military was that they were civilians...
rroberts
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Wrong again. You mix up initiative and training, as well as modern fighting and what happened then.
Wilko
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How much of a historian can the author of this article be?
Gordo
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I caught that too, but much of what he said about Pelieu was spot on.
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rroberts
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Good catch there, Gordo
Stifler
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The natives pronounce it sounding like "Chook" (rhymes with "kook") but with a slight catch in the "oo" sound...
Gordo
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He also mislocates Palau as part of Federated Micronesia
snowwrestler
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The reefs are spectacular
snowwrestler
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Way cool. got pictures?
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