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Free public college tuition for all or more money for the wealthy few?

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This is a no-brainer for me. How about you?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/free-college-we-can-afford-it/2012/05/01/gIQAeFeltT_print.html

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Why is it only college tuition that people want for free whirlybird New

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Because college costs are so much higher? b6 New

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wasn't that the California model...once... rustyboater New

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The blame resides with the "nothing in life should be free" crowd b6 New

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could we amend that to read... rustyboater New

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E-zackly. Prop 13: No taxes? No Services! <NT> Oci-One.Kanubi New

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Nothing is free. This illusion that many Americans have that shit is somehow "free", definitely need some... SylvanMoses New

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I reject that notion completely... rustyboater New

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Me too. But, I sure as hell hated high school, land of the lowest common denominator. <NT> SylvanMoses New

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that's a different story... rustyboater New

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Same story. Kids seeking knowledge will be packed into classrooms w/ C & D students, hormones still raging, etc. SylvanMoses New

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you're confusing high school and college... <NT> rustyboater New

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Wanna see weird? Zork New

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The idea that everybody should go to college is also a recent fantasy... RandyH New

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more complete bullshit rustyboater New

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How much of your degree did you actually use in you job? And how many companies have been run into the ground by MBA's? RandyH New

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I agree with much of your reasoning, but the problem is that firms hiring expect degrees, ezwater New

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If we are really insistent on treating a bachelors as the new HS diploma... RandyH New

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Tuition is not rising because "...more and more people are going" b6 New

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Wait a minute, how come they all have money to build all these new buildings then? lrcable New

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dude, you are a hater... rustyboater New

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I dislike horse shit stories. lrcable New

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that new dorm complex rustyboater New

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Not exactly. lrcable New

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funny - I keep cleaning up after yours... b6 New

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Can you name those buildings? b6 New

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How about the new Pharmacy Building lrcable New

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I think most people would call that hospital related. b6 New

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If your pharmacy building is like our pharmacy building, it is part of the school, not the hospital. RandyH New

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Don't buy that reasoning, it is College of Pharmacy lrcable New

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exactly dude peterj New

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Do you have a college degree? <NT> b6 New

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yes, a few, so what? <NT> peterj New

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Your perception of US colleges b6 New

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cost year 2 = $Y2 = (Inflation * $Year1) + value added + waste peterj New

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Has the total cost increased beyond inflaton? Tuition has but total costs not. likes

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good post. <NT> Terrell New

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you can easily check the facts: tutition has been increasing above inflation rate for decades at most colleges <NT> peterj New

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did you read my post or just go with the politically correct response right away SwimmerBill New

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here's a graph and some stats on tuition vs. inflation peterj New

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Here is the current UK budget lrcable New

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so what you are saying... rustyboater New

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Let's look at that contention and see if it holds water. lrcable New

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you DO realize there are 50 states, right? rustyboater New

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I just grabbed a state, pick your own and find me the historical data to support your claim. lrcable New

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ok...you didn't think I would...here's something more comprehensive rustyboater New

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No, it doesn't disprove anything. Please note that it refers to 2009 and 2010 budgets. lrcable New

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tuition rises beyond inflation FAR preceeded state cuts to colleges peterj New

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The value in a college education t_h_o_m_a_s New

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The problem lies with the for-profit colleges (ITT, Webster, Phoenix) who get only ten percent of their tuition Rahark1 New

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As for the value of a college diploma, look at this chart. Rahark1 New

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Not all degrees are created equal... RandyH New

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again...baloney likes

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1 rustyboater New

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Yet is does have a set cost that must be paid by somebody...And guess what - That somebody gets to determine value... RandyH New

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And while we are at it, what was the real value of college for you? RandyH New

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that is such a ridiculous post rustyboater New

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Why? seriously, what did you really get from college that you could not have got elsewhere? RandyH New

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An mentored internship. <NT> SirFlipsALot New

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An bad grammar. <NT> SirFlipsALot New

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In the trades, that would be called an apprenticeship. <NT> RandyH New

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Is that a joke? It got me a job that required a bachelor's degree. And my master's got me hired over everybody else. likes

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Same question I asked Rusty: Did you actually use what you learned in the job? RandyH New

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And the armed forces are finding out that recruits that spent way too much time with flight simulator or doom RandyH New

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It is rediculous to make it free, but the tax break is non-exitent for middle class... dangore New

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Check out...KRUGMAN's view on this Zork New

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the folly of cutting spending... likes

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2 rustyboater New

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That's exactly how Reagan did it in the 80s, financed his defense build-up with deficits... Gordo New

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So if you flunk out of school, you only have to do 70 hours of community service, but... RandyH New

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Yeah, with all of the boomers entering the entitlement zone, we might as well dump in millions of... SylvanMoses New

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both of you must have rustyboater New

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They call social security an entitlement because many boomers will collect more than they paid into it... RandyH New

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by that logic rustyboater New

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Apples and oranges... RandyH New

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The "free" educational experience sucked. The one I paid for was great. <NT> SylvanMoses New

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point of information: Free has worked in many countries, but it is not what you imagine SwimmerBill New

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I imagine perfection b6 New

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There are "free" college options already SwimmerBill New

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Interesting links on the 1% RandyH New

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ill, will you please address the reasons so many students from everyplace come to America for a college education? Oci-One.Kanubi New

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you mean like healthcare is free? <NT> me New

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