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For women under 30, most births occur outside of marriage

Forum: Liquid Lounge

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/18/us/for-women-under-30-most-births-occur-outside-marriage.html

Do you think that this statistic has any effect on the children born, positive or negative?
Do you think this is a good trend for our country?

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yes, of course it has a negative affect. <NT> me New

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Its bad enough that they're getting pregnant before the age of 30, but... Pinecricker New

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'Tain't just the wimmins. peterelkon New

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Just curious on the stats.. laughingtotem New

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The standard wisdom is that most couples who are unmarried break up before the child is 16, peterelkon New

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Sorry, but I must old-fashioned or something but everything I know says davegg New

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Takes two to tango. If boys would wear a raincoat it wouldn't be an issue. <NT> otto New

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I wear a raincoat whenever I'm out flashing ! <NT> ezwater New

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I'd like to see... rustyboater New

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All the stuff about whether the child is loved or not sounds quaint, but... Pinecricker New

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it's fact...love IS all you need... rustyboater New

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Love is a many splendored thing. SirFlipsALot New

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Of course a trend can be legitimately judged good/bad for the country. Trends Heineho New

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i reject that outright rustyboater New

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So our current trend of unemployment isn't bad for the country? <NT> Heineho New

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geez, are you deaf? rustyboater New

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incredulous yes, deaf no. unemployment bad, employment good. <NT> Heineho New

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What? Unemployment has been "trending" downwards for quite a while. SirFlipsALot New

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No argument here, I merely wanted to make the point that to me and Heineho New

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i didn't say that... rustyboater New

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Yes, it's terrible. So let's make birth control as hard to get as possible, because then people will stop having sex. jkodadek New

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Doubt that BMan1 New

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Not me..... dangore New

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So somebody should be forced to give it to you free because you are too effing cheap... RandyH New

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Are you offering? dangore New

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Why should any employer have to pay for those things??? RandyH New

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Again, contraception is a health care issue..... dangore New

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If the goal is a healthy, educated population with zero population growth... RandyH New

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It's a lot better and productive to provide health care and education than to dangore New

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What do you do with the ones you can't educate? RandyH New

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you educate their kids likes

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We still live in that country... RandyH New

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I don't want to make birth control hard to get. I just don't want to be forced to buy it for someone else. me New

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You would rather pay for welfare...... dangore New

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I still don't buy your argument about birth control providing health benefits to women. ezwater New

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So there is no health benefit preventing pregnancy at an older age? dangore New

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You need to look at the actual numbers for chromosomal damage in women over 35. ezwater New

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Like these numbers? dangore New

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Matter of value judgement. I don't consider 1 in 385, for example, to be much of a risk. Remember that ezwater New

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Time to listen to health care professionals..... dangore New

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The 98% figure has been debunked DangerJudy New

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Not debunked. Qualified. Do you dispute that a huge majority of Catholic women have used birth control? jkodadek New

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And so what! "Most" catholics have used contraception in some form! dangore New

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They have also broken every one of the ten commandments DangerJudy New

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I have many personal reason for hating the catholic church..... dangore New

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Keep it coming, let it all out <NT> DangerJudy New

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Oh! The poor persecuted catholics! <NT> dangore New

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I'm going to go out on a limb here rustyboater New

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Sex out on a limb? Even in The Canterbury Tales they didn't do it out on a limb. <NT> ezwater New

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If it was psychologically beneficial for most men and women to get cable, should that be insured? ezwater New

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do you need a prescription for cable? rustyboater New

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I don't see it as necessary that birth control be covered by health insurance, unless the woman has ezwater New

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They wont' listen to you DangerJudy New

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you're not listening to him either rustyboater New

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If you and EZ want to have a little chat don't do it in public DangerJudy New

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She only pointed out that the Pill is dangerous in itself. And you can make a Molotov wiener out of a condom. <NT> ezwater New

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is the pill the only form of birth control...? rustyboater New

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All the hormonal ones have similar concerns DangerJudy New

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antibiotics are certainly more closely related to preserving essential health and function than the Pill. ezwater New

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is breathing voluntary? rustyboater New

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I would expect most people to believe that humans *must* have sex, and *won't* do it or delay it likes

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no, I want people to pay their own way. If they can't, that's what charity is for. me New

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They should throw condoms instead of beads at Mardi Gras ! <NT> ezwater New

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You don't seem to have a problem forcing every one else to subsidize the cost of your kids... Pinecricker New

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you're absolutely right and don't forget the huge tax deductions and credits I get too. me New

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YOU are the "real moocher", child birth is a 100% avoidable expense... likes

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Bingo! DangerJudy New

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Using your logic, should insurance companies cover any of the costs of childbirth... likes

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Yes I do DangerJudy New

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Can you get pregnant just from a wallow pit? <NT> ezwater New

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Maybe it is time to quit being an absolutist and pick your poison: birth control or abortion. likes

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the unspoken bottom line here likes

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John Stewart is nailing this issue right now! <NT> dangore New

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How about Door #3: "Being responsible for your own choices." rlhartman New

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So we should not support education in any form? Everybody should be home schooled? <NT> dangore New

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Maximizing freedom of choice requires providing birth control. SirFlipsALot New

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So the gov't should buy guns for people so they can exercise their 2nd Amendment rights, too? rlhartman New

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Guns don't kill; Condoms do? Zork New

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More like "IUD's Do", since condoms prevent conception. IUD's don't. <NT> rlhartman New

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Since we are talking about health insurance, there is zero logic to this argument. jkodadek New

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Trouble is, you can use that rationalization to justify gov't subsidization of almost anything... rlhartman New

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Personally, I wouldn't call not having sex "zero cost", would you? <NT> janedoe New

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This long to get to the abstinence argument? jkodadek New

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Don't worry, he is working towards the Hitler epitat above. <NT> dangore New

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Do not try to distract by playing the "abstinence" card... rlhartman New

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<insert jeopardy theme here> <NT> SirFlipsALot New

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Exactly! Decrease possibility of choosing Birth control and abortions increases SwimmerBill New

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You'd rather pay for the lifetime healthcare of an other human being? tcookson New

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Birth control has been readily available since when I was in high school and the rates keep climbing lrcable New

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wrong... rustyboater New

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Different statistic. Prior to 1980, most teenage pregnancies were married women lrcable New

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stop making stuff up... rustyboater New

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Doh, isn't that one a bit self explanatory? lrcable New

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Yep DangerJudy New

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And the irony is DangerJudy New

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Constitutionally, IMO, the Birth Control issue is a non starter for Obama lrcable New

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Of course it's a diversionary tactic DangerJudy New

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fool's rush in where wise men fear to tread... likes

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You are misinformed. DangerJudy New

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i stand by my post rustyboater New

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And I have no respect for the entity that really *is* whining until it gets it all DangerJudy New

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o please... rustyboater New

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This country has had freedom OF religion ever since it's founding DangerJudy New

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o right... rustyboater New

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When you bubble is catholism, you just can't break out or your going to hell! <NT> dangore New

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Explain what? DangerJudy New

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really? rustyboater New

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Really! DangerJudy New

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more disagreement... rustyboater New

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Amazingly, what you believe doesn't change the facts! DangerJudy New

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wow, talk about irony... rustyboater New

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That's funny I feel the same way about you DangerJudy New

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Prohibiting a religious act is a bit different than requiring one to do something against that belief lrcable New

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David Brooks posted a column on the increasing disorganization of American society. ezwater New

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Try this - go to Wikipedia and read the entry on the book The Bell Curve. Heineho New

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Why would we read a bullshit book to learn about the few things in it that have any truth value? ezwater New

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I never suggested you waste your time reading the book. Sheez. As Heineho New

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Might make you suspicious that the book wasn't really about societal ills, but about getting their grass mowed ezwater New

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I've seen studies that suggested that teen mothers were statistically better off... scruggs New

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And did you believe the studies were valid and agree with their conclusions? SwimmerBill New

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EVERYONE should read rustyboater New

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I liked it SwimmerBill New

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Sounds made up to me. It would be almost impossible to do a study to confirm those notions. Teen mothers ezwater New

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seemed pretty straight forward to me... scruggs New

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And thanks for warning me about the risks of long-term monogamy. I guess I've wasted 44 years on a dream...... <NT> ezwater New

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never said it was a bad thing or they we shouldn't strive for it. It's just not an evolutionary advantage scruggs New

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