Its too far to pick up and i hate to pay the shipping, i think im going to rethink my original choice after having a conversation with another member. The boat ive been shopping for is obviously out dated, and with the short stubby designs i really didnt think id ever fit in one of the new boats, and of course i wanna keep the first boat on a budget. But i can pick up one of the jackson fun's for 350 to 400, and they seem to have a great comfort level. Im going to try to take a seat in one and check it out.