No offense man but I'm just going to go ahead ahead and bet you have never paddled a single class V rapid east of the Mississippi, or you would have heard about the tripple B. I have had the privilage knowing and occasionally even paddling with the Founder Elijah McAvoy who is taking the sport to the next level with over five first descents to his name. Please don't insult what you can't understand. Give Eli a shout if you ever make it to the Southeast, he will be out on the water.